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Shiningc OP t1_jczq1ad wrote

>100% of the time, 1+1 =2.

That makes no sense. 1+1=2 is not a probability.

Probability says there's a 50% chance that 1+1=2 or 1+1=3.

But you need to come up with a non-probabilistic solution in the first place.

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Djinnanetoniks t1_jczpql5 wrote

No they are "virtual particles" that are spontaneously generated and annihilated within the quantum foam. Any more concrete explanation would need someone who actually understands the math of quantum mechanics in this field, which I am not :P

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baddfingerz1968 t1_jczpde3 wrote

How about a psychiatrist or anyone that uses logic heavily and analytically? Or a creative writer on a new, obscure topic or fiction for which there is little knowledge base that the machine can be programmed with or aquire data on?

AI is falling short of the expectations of it's creators. I believe it is because it is not capable of original thought and can only emulate human intelligence in a manner that draws on the source but can never transcend it and conceive of truly new and unique ideas.

Put simply, a machine can never have its own mind, or a soul.

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Turbulent-Pea-8826 t1_jczogny wrote

Robots don’t complain to HR. Robots don’t fail drug and background checks. Robots don’t ask for raises or start drama with their coworkers. Robots will work 24/7 without complaint and if they get damaged won’t file a workman’s compensation claim.

Given the choice most companies would switch to robots due to these reasons alone.

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Surur t1_jcznsc2 wrote

> The connections between neurons in the brain are much more complex than those of the artificial neurons used in the connectionist neural computing models of artificial neural networks.

I said they are a simplified version upthread. You know like aeroplane wings are a simplified version of pigeon wings. Does not mean they don't work by the same principle.

> And how would being in probability solve mathematical problems?

100% of the time, 1+1 =2.

Pretty simple.

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justahandfulofwords t1_jczn9pj wrote

There's always going to be a material and maufacturing cost associated with robotics, no matter how advanced. I think it will be more reliant on economic changes than technological capability. We wouldn't see humans mixing concrete by hand in half the world given concrete mixers currently exist, if this were the case.

I hope it isn't forever and ever though!

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Shiningc OP t1_jczn6ic wrote

>Get educated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_circuit

Where does that say anything about biological neural networks being probabilistic?

Also contradicting your claims:

>The connections between neurons in the brain are much more complex than those of the artificial neurons used in the connectionist neural computing models of artificial neural networks.

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>Of course we can. 1 and 0 are both part of the probability cloud.

And how would being in probability solve mathematical problems?

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No-Wallaby-5568 t1_jczmlfn wrote

I've noticed that AI can't really answer hypothetical questions. Since it trains on existing data it can't imagine things it has not encountered during training. But there are all kinds of jobs that involve solving problems that have never been solved. Imagine being a physicist and wondering what would happen if, at the moment of the big bang, physical constants like the speed of light were not constant. What would be the specific implications of that wrt to particle physics? Since there is no data on such a thing, and perhaps no one has ever entertained that thought, AI will be of no use. It's relatively easy to think of similar situations in any field where solutions require imagining things that have never been imagined.

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augustulus1 t1_jczlx3b wrote

Some people do care. Rolex watches are hand-assembled. Yes, you can produce an infinite amount of cheap, factory made fake Rolex watches, but that is forgery (illegal), and wealthy people won't touch it. If you are poor, and want to seem to be a wealthy person, you may go for the replica. But if you are really wealthy, you definitely go for the original, handcrafted watches.

"Then they CAN do the job, they’re just not allowed to" Yeah, just like machines are able to make fake banknotes, just not allowed. And that is good.

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BillHicksScream t1_jczkunr wrote

No. Thats not how development works here. The list of problems for humans operating in Space has only increased. Nor has there been any required breakthrough in a new method of energy usage, something to escape orbit and move through space cheaply. You will notice there is no fusion/warp/new element powered minivans.

There is no huge demand to fuel development anyways. Unlike the airplane, whose development is fueled by four factors: a cheap, common energy source, WW 1+2, lots of commercial & governmental uses to pay for development and the #1 reason: Flying is possible. Birds exist.

But there are no alien spaceships, which would tell us Star Trek is possible.

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Surur t1_jczkjbx wrote

> Biologists haven't said anything about how human neural networks work.

Get educated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_circuit

> That's like saying all mathematical problems can somehow be solved with statistics and probabilities. And that's just sheer nonsense.

Of course we can. 1 and 0 are both part of the probability cloud.

You seem to think because NNs are currently bad at symbolic thinking they are not intelligent. The funny thing is 30 years ago people thought pattern matching was what set human intelligence apart from computers.

It's just a question of time.

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Shiningc OP t1_jczizc4 wrote

Biologists haven't said anything about how human neural networks work.

That's like saying all mathematical problems can somehow be solved with statistics and probabilities. And that's just sheer nonsense.

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mjrossman OP t1_jcziz7d wrote

the sober outlook is that whatever commodity the company offers is going to produce a slimmer margin over time, especially if it's digital. on the other hand, I'm pretty confident that most firms (especially sole proprietorshisps) are more capable of affording their own optimization process. for any given employee, the important question is whether they understand the practice of what they're paid for, relative to the labor market. the followup is whether they are industrious enough to form their own firm and compete.

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r2k-in-the-vortex t1_jczii7y wrote

A shoeshine. Because the product sold is not a shiny shoe, a rotary brush could do that, the product sold is feeling of being above your fellow man.

Similarly, even with perfect sexbots on the market, prostitutes will still make a living. A pope will still have a job. A bartender will still have a job. Handmade nicknacks will still be a product.

With machines taking care of all utilities and practicalities, the economy of selling emotions will still remain. And much of that economy includes a human element not for any practical reason but because it's the core emotional component of the product sold.

Of course, you only need to bust your ass working in this irrational economy if you wish to consume its services. When it's important for you that a human bartender hands you your drink, not a robot one, never mind that its the same drink.

If you are content with what the machines provide and don't need the luxuries of human labour, then your cost of living will be very low indeed. The robots, after all, don't need any wages. Their labour has no cost.

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