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YawnTractor_1756 t1_jd3th56 wrote

>your second link has a link to the climate report he’s citing

That report is about projected warming of to ~2.8C by 2100, just like many other similar reports that put it into 2.5-2.8 range. And just like others it discusses possiblities and scenarios of getting in below 1.5 and 2C. Which are very illusional and those unreachable in rational terms scenarios Antonio uses to scream loud titles and get anxious clicks from modern "final day witnesses", despite there is nothing about "catastrophe", "bUrNing" or similar doomers' vocabulary in the report.

>Go read the reports and get back to me.

Why? You can't read yourself?

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JoshuaZ1 t1_jd3r61e wrote

My apologies. I thought we were discussing things in the context of the sort of timeline constructed by the OP. I agree that it will eventually happen, and 30 years sounds like a potentially plausible time frame.

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asyrin25 t1_jd3qvrh wrote

I think you underestimate the power of capitalism and a manufacturer's willingness to reach untapped market segments or the advantages a bar with lower costs due to automation has over one with greater costs due to human capital.

The question is whether machines will EVER replace a bartender, not whether it will happen in the next 5 years. Let's revisit in 30 years once the tech is far into maturity.

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JoshuaZ1 t1_jd3q68h wrote

You are I think underestimating how many different machines this would involve, and how difficult clean up is of some things, like broken glass, vomit etc. Even if you can do every single part with a machine, the cost of doing all of them together with separate machines is high. Where machines may make a difference is in larger bars with multiple bar tenders. A single bar tender with some machines will likely be cheaper than a bar with three people, and still more practical than full automation.

Do you want to revisit this question in a few years. Do you want to continue this conversation in say 5 years and see how common fully automated bars are then and where the trends are?

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asyrin25 t1_jd3oouk wrote

Bar that cleans itself is pretty easy. Change deposited right to your order station if you're one of the few people that still pay with cash is a thing lots of basic machines do now. Chairs that move themselves is not crazy. We see very early examples of machines cleaning stores at the end of the day now.

People are expensive and less reliable. They get sick, need leave and vacations, and to not work too many hours. They need managers to manage them, usually on site.

Really, you don't even need real AI to do this. Just good automation. None of this requires you to completely rebuild the building and will absolutely be cheaper in the long run...not even that long, likely.

Nothing a bartender does is something a relatively simple series of machines can't do better and cheaper.

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thecatwhatcandrive t1_jd3nenz wrote

"It's a well known fact"

Got a source you'd like to share? I'd love to be as enlightened as you are on the subject, but I can't just take some random lunatic from the internet's word that it's fact.

And you can fuckin' miss me with "do your own research". Where can I read this information you've got?

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Zeustitandog t1_jd3lwsw wrote

Honestly arguing with you is pointless at this point

You keep saying what I’m saying

Then saying and that’s why space x is good

The reasons space x are good are why NASA is bad

It would be pretty damn simple to change NASA those ways but there was no arguable reason to because of the issues you mentioned

Until now when other companies saw the chance to get in on a government contract

I’m stupid in a lot of things but not reading comprehension

You on the other hand

Might not be stupid in a lot of things but definitely are reading comprehension

And if you can’t understand what you read I doubt you’d be able to do anything

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Zeustitandog t1_jd3l53i wrote

I’d probably take NASA scientist and other government space agencies workers then a dude talking about the company he has investment in

Also what drugs were you on I need a few kids like that you went from nice and competent to idiot you need your pills m8

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JoshuaZ1 t1_jd3kdju wrote

> You don't need to rebuild a bar to have a machine that can pour drinks and move them down to you.

Sure, if all the machine is going to do is that, then yes. But a bar-tender does a lot more than that. They clean up spills, they collect change, they move seats around, they clean up at the end of the day, etc.

If we are talking about just machines to do some aspects of mix drinking and serving, then I agree that this is not that involved. But there is a lot more which is part of the job.

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Reasonably_Bee OP t1_jd3jlpe wrote

yeah, all good points. I know its possible to hack a CAN-bus (check out the Open Garages movement for example https://github.com/OpenGarages/ or Car hacking village https://www.carhackingvillage.com/) but from what I understand its pretty easy to hack a car just using an app, as there are so many third-parties with security vulnerabilities. https://www.extremetech.com/cars/179556-teslas-model-s-can-be-located-unlocked-and-burglarized-with-a-simple-hack

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asyrin25 t1_jd3i6vk wrote

A good bartender to me is one that makes my drinks quickly, correctly, and consistently. Perhaps they even suggest something I may also like based upon what I order.

That sounds like a job for AI to me. What are your bartenders doing other than that?

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m-s-c-s t1_jd3fzer wrote

> Reports he gets from scientists are fine. Opinions he spits out in doomsday manner that are nowhere to find in those reports are full of shit.

Literally your second link has a link to the climate report he’s citing along with the names of the numerous contributors to the report. Ditto for the 4th link that has links to further reports.

The rest are written by third party news sources (whom he has no control over re: data transparency) or a press release linking to one.

Go read the reports and get back to me.

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