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acutelychronicpanic t1_jdy378r wrote

20 years? You must be pretty well informed on recent developments then. I didn't go into detail because I assumed you've seen the demonstrations of GPT4.

If I can assume you've seen the GPT4 demos and read the paper, I'd love to hear your thoughts on how it can perform well on reasoning tasks its never seen before and reason about what would happen to a bundle of balloons in an image if the string was cut.

What about its test results? Many of those tests are not about memorization, but rather applying learned reasoning to novel situations. You can't memorize raw facts and pass an AP bio exam. You have to be able to use and apply methods to novel situations.

Idk. Maybe we are talking past each other here.

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Skudge_Muffin t1_jdy2cjz wrote

Ah, thereabout comes your ego. The part that shows you're not as smart as you think you are is your thinking that a revenue number is enough to prove your competence to others. Did you stop to consider plenty of incompetent people have even more money than that? Many people got lucky on crypto, many people have rich parents. This breakdown in logical thought squarely pegs your ability to traverse ideas.

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speedywilfork t1_jdy1kdc wrote

>What makes you think a modern AI can not solve this problem?

because you gave it distinct textual clues to determine an answer. Pumpkin patch. table. sign. it didnt determine anything on its own. you did all of the thinking for it. this is the point i am making. it can't do anything on its own.

if i say to a human "lets go to the pumpkin patch". we all get in the car. drive to the location, see that man in the field, drive to the man in the field, that is taking tickets, not the man directing traffic. and we park. all i have to verbalize is "lets go to the pumpkin patch"

An AI on the other hand i have to tell it "lets go to the pumpkin patch" then when we get there i have to say "drive to the man sitting at the table, not the man directing traffic, when you get there stop next to the man, not in front or behind the man" then you pay, now you say "now drive over to the man directing traffic, follow his gestures he will show you where to park" (assuming it can follow gestures).

All the AI did was follow commands, it didnt "think" at all, because it can't. do you realize how annoying this would become after a while? an average human would be better and could perform more work.

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Skudge_Muffin t1_jdxyrqm wrote

>Can a quadruped operate a fork lift, cook a meal

... Robotic quadrupeds? Yeah, why not?

>flying? will just assume ur joking wit that one

Why? Flight is a pretty useful ability to have and we have consumer-level flying robots already.

>As for the other ideas, great ideas tbh, just a little too sci-fi atm.

Do we not already have expanding flexible robotic muscles?

>evolution slander is also a dumb take

It isn't slander, it's a fact of the matter. Evolution doesn't "care" about efficiency. It doesn't care about anything. Evolution is the propagation of genes within an environment. You don't need to be the best theoretical propagator, you just need to be able to propagate at or above replacement. Essentially, our efficiency has been decided by our competition and the external factors we've faced, as well as how beneficial certain actions have been to our survival. We aren't built for deep diving because we don't really ever need to go to the bottom of the ocean.

>"bare minimum for perpetuation" resulted in a super computer that runs on the power it takes to run a light bulb

You've lost yourself to ego. That's an amazing fact for you because it's all you know. There is no objective or subjective scale to measure this achievement to, so who knows how impressive that really is? Might it be the case that, given infinite trials of human-like species, we're actually in the bottom percentile of achievement?

>Again. we're just two dummies on reddit. I defer to the people actually working on this.

Then defer to them and stop commenting on the subject. Don't bother discussing it.

>oh also Notice how you've moved the goal post btw. We've gone from specialized robots, to robots that supercede the human form in generality

You haven't proven that bipedal human-like robots are an efficient platform for an all-purpose robot. You haven't even proven that there is demand for an all-purpose robot rather than specialized robots (My phone cannot clean my living room floor, my phone cannot drive me to the store, my phone cannot mow my lawn or water my garden. My phone cannot feed my dog or function as hardware tools. Hell, I wouldn't even use my phone to program a webpage and computer science seems like one of the first things you would design a mobile computing device for.)

If you're worried about your ability to engage with this subject, that is your fear, not mine.

Edit: Also, if you want to talk about moving goalposts, you have gone from "General-purpose human bots" to "Bipedal vaguely humanoid function-fit search and rescue machines"

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scrangos t1_jdxyicp wrote

There was another super interesting one where one cancer cell hides inside another another cancer cell using it as armor to survive the killer t-cell attacks as those don't penetrate deep enough to kill them both. (the outer one does die tho) Once signs of the killer t-cells are gone then inner ones come out and resume operations.

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speedywilfork t1_jdxyi6c wrote

why when i ask specific questions all i get is a straw man? this in itself proves that i am correct. I have been involved with AI development for 20 years. i understand every single model and type there is to be known. my ideas arent out of date. they are true. i am future looking here, and imagining a AI like Chat GPT to be paired with other systems. if i were to take into something like a coffee shop and ask it "is this a coffee shop?" it very likely would fail to get the answer correct. to an AI a coffee shop is a series of traits. it could not distinguish a coffee shop with a camera crew in it. from a fake coffee shop on a movie set. it couldnt distinguish an unbranded starbucks, from a unbranded mcdonalds. but you and i could, because a coffee shop is a concept, not a thing, it involves mood, feeling, and setting. and pattern recognition won't help it.

>AI pattern matching can do things that only AI and humans can do. Its not as simple as you imply. It doesn't just search some database and find a response to a similar question.

can a circle of small soccer cones disable an autonomous AI?

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LongjumpingBottle t1_jdxwz9d wrote

Can a quadruped operate a fork lift, cook a meal... cmon my guy

flying? will just assume ur joking wit that one

As for the other ideas, great ideas tbh, just a little too sci-fi atm. Not at the liquid terminator age yet

evolution slander is also a dumb take

"bare minimum for perpetuation" resulted in a super computer that runs on the power it takes to run a light bulb

the bipedal design is the most efficient and adaptable. simple as.

Maybe instead it could have 4 arms, extendable wheels, sticky fingers, and jetpacks. But I recall that I live in a world governed by physics where things cost energy and resources.

Again. we're just two dummies on reddit. I defer to the people actually working on this.

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oh also Notice how you've moved the goal post btw. We've gone from specialized robots, to robots that supercede the human form in generality (shapeshifting, flying, sticking to walls)

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You've lost the plot, champ

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