One of the major challenges is that people misuse the agency they do have. People value their own wants, comfort and convenience above all. Your statement ignores the fact that everyone could give up beef tomorrow. That no one needs to fly across the world or drive across the country for leisure. People make the choices that benefit them the most, rich and poor, seventh generation be damned.

Are there any people who can hold a conversation after being raised alone in a dark room?

>it shows advancement we never could have expected

this simply isn't true, everything AI is doing right now has been expected, or it should have been expected. anything that can be learned will be learned by AI. anything that has a finite outcome it will excel at. anything that doesn't have a finite outcome. it will struggle with. it isn't arrogance it is simply the way it works. it is like saying i am arrogant for claiming humans wont be able to fly like birds. nope, that's just reality

Yes, the system and those who create and maintain it bear heavy responsibility; so do the consumers who continue to make choices that exacerbate the problems.

Law is probably less lucrative than psychology just cuz there’s too many law degreez

Would the robot then stand in the kitchen washing dishes manually? That sounds very inefficient as the dishwasher can run while the the robot cleans the house for example... Plus I would be very annoyed if a humanoid robot stands in my small kitchen half of the day doing stuff there while a dishwasher is neatly packed away.

>Sure, but a fully conscious and intelligent human taxi driver would do the same.

but not me driving myself, and that is the point. my point is we won't have level 5 autonomy in anything outside of designated routes and possibly taxis. there are things that an AI will never be able to do, and a human can do them infinitely better. so my AI might drive me to the pumpkin patch, them i will take over.

>We don't want AIs driving around with no one in command

this is exactly why they will be stuck at the point they are right now and won't take over tons of jobs like everyone is claiming. they are HELPERS, nothing more. they can't reason, they can't think, they can't discern, they don't have initiative. people will soon realize initiative is the trait of a human that they are really looking for. not performing simple tasks that have to be babysat on a constant basis.

I've seen a lot of cynicism from the older crowd that has been trying to make real progress in the field. I've also seen examples from researchers that have explained why it shows advancement we never could have expected.

I wonder how much of it is healthy skepticism and how much is arrogance.

no it can't. as i have told many people on here. i have been developing AI for 20 years. i am not speculating, i am EXPLAINING what is possible and what isn't. so far the GPT 4 demos are things that are expected, nothing impressive.

>and tell it it needs to figure out where to buy tickets, it probably can.

i want it to do it without me having to tell it. that is the point you are missing.

You dont need a machine for dishes if you have a robot for it ;)

> everything is a command to AI, it has no initiative. it drives to the field and stops, because to it, the task is complete.

Sure, but a fully conscious and intelligent human taxi driver would do the same.

AIs are perfectly capable of making multi-step plans, and of course when they come to the end of the plan they should go dormant. We don't want AIs driving around with no one in command.

you don't understand, in my example it HAS a video feed. how do you think it see the guy in the field? i am presenting a forward looking scenario. i have been developing AI for 20 years. i am not speculating here. i am telling you what is factual. it isn't coming next year, it isn't coming at all. there is no way to program for things like "initiative" and that is what is required to take AI to the next level. everything is a command to AI, it has no initiative. it drives to the field and stops, because to it, the task is complete. it got us to the pumpkin patch. task complete. now what? you have to feed it the next task, that's what. it won't do it on it's own

I'd agree with you if we were just talking about gpt3. Gpt4 is able to interpret images and could probably suceed at biying tickets in your example. Not computer vision, interpretation and understanding.

Show it a picture of a man holding balloons and ask it what would happen if you cut the strings in the picture, and it can tell you the balloons will fly away.

Show it a disorganized line leading to a guy in a chair and tell it it needs to figure out where to buy tickets, it probably can.

First off finish whatever degree you pick. Second pick something with some math and science in it. Third, do not follow the trends, everyone will do this, and it will be a problem. For example: environmental anything and computer science are not great choices. Know that what you pick will at some point turn out to be a wrong choice and you will want to take a wide range of electives, consider taking an extra year to build a minor or two. Best wishes.

Evolution built human body in 3+ billion years. We're in the process of figuring it out much faster

>I'd love to hear your thoughts on how it can perform well on reasoning tasks its never seen before and reason about what would happen to a bundle of balloons in an image if the string was cut.

I am sure you already know all of this, but It isnt really reasoning, i knows, i knows because it learned. anything that can be learned will eventually be learned by AI, anything and everything. So all of these tasks that appear to be impressive, to me, are just expected. So far AI hasnt done anything that is unexpected. but anything that has a finite outcome, like chess, Go, poker, starcraft, you name it, AI will beat a human, it won't even be close. but it doesnt "reason" it knows all of the possible moves that can ever be played. you show it a picture and ask it what is funny about it. it know that "atypical" things are considered "funny" by humans. so you show it a picture of the Eiffel tower wearing a hat, it can easily determine what is "funny". Even though it doesn't know what "funny" even means.

on the other hand tasks that are open ended and have no finite set of outcomes, like this...

https://news.yahoo.com/soldiers-outsmart-military-robot-acting-214509025.html

AI looks really, really, dumb. because in this scenario, real reasoning is required. a 5 year old child would be able to pick out these soldiers. these are the types of experiments i am interested in, because it will help us to know where AI can reasonably be applied and where it can't.

Why can't an AI pick out these soldiers and a 5 year old can? because an AI just sees objects, a 5 year old understands intent. a 5 year old understands that a person is intending to fool them, so they discern that it is a person inside a cardboard box. There is no way to teach an AI to recognize intent. because intent is an abstraction, and AI can understand abstractions

Soul is our inescapable wonderment about thoughts raising from the unconscious when we're caught in the thought loop as most people spend most of their lives in. In wake and in dreams even. I guess most of it is caused by strong emotions experienced one day and perpetuated for years. Regret is a big one

Meditation allows one to see clearly. At first u're on the bank of river flowing past u, but then u're nowhere to be found. There's just river. Always has been

As a cancer patient without treatment... "They're too small, we'll wait and see."...(but big enough to metastasize) ....I fast 75hrs every other week to increase killer cells. We are left to do whatever we can to fight our battle. I wonder if taking large amounts of guifenesin would interrupt mucin production enough to impact cancer cells?

> Psychology

Lol, please...

Looking into getting my undergrad in intelligence and National Security with a minor in political science. Would you say it’s worth it if I plan to pursue a masters or go to law school? Can’t find much info on the internet

A better way for me to phrase it is. I understand what you are saying and I kinda agree, but I don't think the government will solve it but rather they will fuck it up more. Example California and their plastic straw law. Its a cash grab. New York and the right to repair law, doctored right before release to help big corp.

Let me guess, they've been studying how health insurers evade payments? Or maybe it's the other way around, who knows...

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So you’ve never heard of the EPA or FDA? They’re the only reason companies in the US are held to any sort of standard. Companies don’t care about harming the public, they only care if they keep buying their product. I never said it was just about not using fossil fuels. Let’s look at recycling for instance, a great way to individually contribute, except the majority of what you put in recycling never gets recycled. It either goes to a landfill here or gets shipped to another country and dumped in the ocean. The total economic collapse argument is propaganda from polluters who lobby against any change to regulations that might hurt their profits, they just want to keep making money and not change. Companies lobby government officials to not add new regulations and sometimes remove existing regulations. Follow the money. It’s the same reason Joe Manchin neutered the Green New Deal, because he own one of the largest coal power plants in the country. There is government corruption, but regulations are the only way to make lasting change to the way we care for our environment. There’s a huge difference in saying a company can’t dump chemical byproducts of car paint manufacturers straight into our water supply, and fascism/total economic collapse. Libertarians are just people who don’t understand how systems work. No point in arguing with you anymore. Peace out.

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