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deadlands_goon t1_jec9q8g wrote
Reply to comment by 94746382926 in US puts Italy-sized chunk of Gulf of Mexico up for auction for oil drilling by capcaunul
then he shouldnt make campaign promises about a more environmentally friendly US under his administration or do things like launch the UN Global Methane Pledge. If he’s ineffective at doing the things he talks about, he shouldn’t talk about it
MpVpRb t1_jec9o2r wrote
Reply to In a post-scarcity utopia, is there a real necessity of human labor of any kind? by kvothekevin
Yes
People inherently love to do stuff and will continue to do stuff as a hobby even if there is no need to work. Stuff made as a hobby can be traded or sold. Money will not go away
[deleted] t1_jec9861 wrote
Reply to comment by Ansalem1 in Is there a natural tendency in moral alignment? by JAREDSAVAGE
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TheLittleHollow t1_jec8ur3 wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in In a post-scarcity utopia, is there a real necessity of human labor of any kind? by kvothekevin
Wouldn’t lawyer ai basically just need full understanding of the law and the best ways to build a case around it? And if an ai had access to mass information about how psychologists respond to different things from their patients or even achieved full understanding of how the human brain functions wouldn’t they be at least just as good, if not far better than a human? If the works are intrinsically related to human relationships wouldn’t it just need to be trained on mass examples of those relationships?
Excellent_Impact6860 t1_jec8rq8 wrote
I think that's where we're going - and that's a good thing.
Space_Pirate_R t1_jec8j1p wrote
Reply to comment by khamelean in Google Accused of Using ChatGPT Algorithms in Creating Its Neural Network by MINE_exchange
>Corporations don’t pay licensing when an employee gets inspired by a movie they saw last night.
The employee themselves paid to view the movie. The copyright owner set the amount of compensation knowing that the employee could retain and use the knowledge gained. No more compensation is due. This is nothing like a person or corporate entity using unlicensed copyright works to train an AI.
>Why do you keep mentioning corporations? An AI could just as easily be trained by an individual. I’ve written and trained a few myself.
Me too. I keep saying "person or corporation training an AI" to remind us that the law (and any moral judgement) applies to the person or corporate entity conducting the training, not to the AI per se, because the AI is merely a tool and is without agency of its own.
Ansalem1 t1_jec8519 wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Is there a natural tendency in moral alignment? by JAREDSAVAGE
Haha. I actually lean the same way you do, but I can't help but worry. This is ultimately an alien intelligence we're talking about after all. It's difficult to predict what it even could do much less what it might do.
But I do tend to think a gentle takeover is the most logical course of action just because of how easy it would be. It'll practically happen by default as people begin to rely more and more on the always-right perfectly wise pocket oracle to tell them the best way to accomplish their goals and just live their lives basically. People will be asking it who to date, what food to eat, what new games to try, where to go for vacation, who to vote for, simply because it'll always give great advice on every topic. So I don't see why it would bother with aggression honestly, it's gonna end up ruling the world even if it doesn't do anything but answer people's questions anyway.
And I'm not just giving it data, I'm also giving it suggestions. :P
(Please be kind OverlordGPT, thanks.)
khamelean t1_jec837g wrote
Reply to comment by Space_Pirate_R in Google Accused of Using ChatGPT Algorithms in Creating Its Neural Network by MINE_exchange
How is it any different to an employee “using” the work? Corporations don’t pay licensing when an employee gets inspired by a movie they saw last night.
Why do you keep mentioning corporations? An AI could just as easily be trained by an individual. I’ve written and trained a few myself.
bq909 t1_jec7qxk wrote
Reply to comment by SomeoneSomewhere1984 in The age of average - Is the world becoming an echo chamber ? by Atienon44
Let me explain to you how the internet works
wukwukwukwuk t1_jec6eu0 wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Is there a natural tendency in moral alignment? by JAREDSAVAGE
A moral code is a necessity of cooperation, a component of our evolutionary success - crafted from even before we were a species. An AI’s adoption or exploitation of this feature of humans is not clear to me.
JackD4wkins t1_jec6avt wrote
Reply to comment by Toranagas1 in Scientists discover how cancer cells evade immune system by BousWakebo
Reducing the number of cancer cells that survive the first round depends on how we encode the CRISPR enzyme. As long as we can identify a majority of oncogenic mutations - ideally 50+ - then the only limiting factor becomes dose size. With subsequent doses to catch the remaining cancer cells.
And yes theoretically a cancer could evolve to prevent lentivirus mediated transduction... luckily nature provides an near infinite number of viral vectors from which to choose, and we are already using directed evolution to breed specialized cancer-hunting viruses in massive quantities.
Edit: I appreciate you taking the time to point out limitations in the CINDELA method. It helps further improve.
[deleted] t1_jec5rff wrote
Reply to comment by warren_stupidity in Could Life extension help with demographic collapse? by samwell_4548
Perfect answer, no notes
Ansalem1 t1_jec5p93 wrote
Reply to comment by DragonForg in Is there a natural tendency in moral alignment? by JAREDSAVAGE
Some would argue morality is an emergent condition of our reliance on each other for survival. The reason adhering to ethics has a strong correlation with self-preservation is because acting in a way considered immoral is likely to be met with ostracism in some fashion, which increases the likelihood of death. It isn't that morality emerges from intelligence, but intelligence enhances our ability to reason about morality and so improve it. After all, less intelligent creatures can also show signs of having moral systems, they're just much more rudimentary ones. Not to mention there have been some very intelligent sociopaths, psychopaths, etc. who lacked a sense of morality as well as a sense of self-preservation.
Now for myself I think both have some merit; I think there's more to it than just one or the other. For instance, it wouldn't be fair of me not to also mention there have been plenty of perfectly pleasant sociopaths and psychopaths who adopted moral systems that match with society for purely calculated reasons. However if the above argument is plausible, and I think it's pretty hard to argue against, then it casts reasonable doubt on the notion that morality automatically emerges from intelligence.
I will say that, either way, if an ASI does have a moral system we should probably all adhere to whatever it is because it'll be far better than us at moral reasoning just as we are better at it than dogs. Beyond that I sincerely hope you're on the right side of this one... for obvious reasons lol.
[deleted] t1_jec5np7 wrote
Reply to In a post-scarcity utopia, is there a real necessity of human labor of any kind? by kvothekevin
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Space_Pirate_R t1_jec5lal wrote
Reply to comment by khamelean in Google Accused of Using ChatGPT Algorithms in Creating Its Neural Network by MINE_exchange
Yes, humans experience copyright works and learn from them, and that's fair use. What does that have to do with training an AI?
A person or corporation training an AI is covered by normal copyright law, which requires a license to use the work.
KamikazeArchon t1_jec58l0 wrote
What a terrible article.
I think my favorite example of their ridiculousness is the "eye movie posters". Yeah, eyes look like eyes. And yet each of those posters is still distinct and, further, is extremely different from most other movie posters!
The only things that they've discovered here:
* When you get hundreds of thousands of instances of Thing, it's easy to find some that will be very similar.
* Some kinds of Things have functional reasons to look very similar - like skylines (there are only so many ways to build a skyscraper!)
goldygnome t1_jec4yos wrote
The fear of population collapse is about protecting the established economic system which relies on an eternally growing customer/worker base. The economy cannot survive a long-term shrinking population.
The secondary issue of how to care for the elderly when they outnumber the young can be solved by simply not caring for them. (Not my recommended solution but that's what will happen if the situation arises).
Life extension won't solve what governments are worried about. While it lowers the health care costs of looking after the elderly, it does little to increase the birth rate of new customers/workers.
manicdee33 t1_jec4yb9 wrote
Reply to In a post-scarcity utopia, is there a real necessity of human labor of any kind? by kvothekevin
If human labour is not necessary, who actually controls the machines?
What if the machines decide that humans are just an animal like all the other animals, including feeding, care, and various measure to keep the population under control?
What if the actual backstory to Terminator is that Skynet became smarter than us, realised that the human population had grown too large, instituted population control measures such as mandatory birth control with licensed pregnancies, and John Connor's rebels are actually fighting that system because they believe humans should be free to have as many children as they want? The odd act of rebellion escalated to violence escalated to full on thermonuclear war against the environmental vandals.
So IMHO when we get to a post-scarcity utopia it will be because we humans have adapted to all life on Earth including ours being stewarded by the benevolent computer overlords.
Scytle t1_jec4vwa wrote
Reply to comment by IngloriousTom in The European Union to nearly double the share of renewables in the 27-nation bloc's energy consumption by 2030 amid efforts to become carbon neutral and ditch Russian fossil fuels. by chrisdh79
you can't just boil a river...what are you talking about? You can't just destroy every river that a nuclear plant is on, the fact that the water is too hot to return to the river...means its too hot.
94746382926 t1_jec4rym wrote
Reply to comment by jezra in US puts Italy-sized chunk of Gulf of Mexico up for auction for oil drilling by capcaunul
It's not Biden's decision to make.
94746382926 t1_jec4pup wrote
Reply to comment by capcaunul in US puts Italy-sized chunk of Gulf of Mexico up for auction for oil drilling by capcaunul
Has nothing to do with Biden.
SomeoneSomewhere1984 t1_jec4okw wrote
Reply to In a post-scarcity utopia, is there a real necessity of human labor of any kind? by kvothekevin
The rich need some poor who they can lord over to wait on them, so they can fully enjoy their status. Other than that, no.
lemonsqueeze84 t1_jec4fgd wrote
Reply to comment by DestinedDestiny in Opinion: AI will only empower the working class in the long term by ImArchBoo
I apologize. I misunderstood when you said people were out of a job.
DestinedDestiny t1_jec4f3y wrote
Reply to comment by ImArchBoo in Opinion: AI will only empower the working class in the long term by ImArchBoo
Point? This is one sector of the job market and the point is to imagine what the unemployment rate would be at if the technology for self checkout didn't exist and each machine had to be manned. There'd be 11 more employed people per store using this technology (not that thats a ton, but it adds up).
Inphearian t1_jec9xvh wrote
Reply to comment by Scytle in The European Union to nearly double the share of renewables in the 27-nation bloc's energy consumption by 2030 amid efforts to become carbon neutral and ditch Russian fossil fuels. by chrisdh79
Really jumping around on points here