The hazard lights come on before the sign comes out for buses, but as the sign is coming out you make no attempt to reduce your speed and try to stop and you pass through the stop sign without even reducing speed.

Also, as another commenter said in the legal advice forum (where you deleted the post), the car ahead of you DID come to a full stop. This implies that you were either traveling too fast or not paying attention

You state that the van was blocking you from seeing the bus but then at the same time you state the bus didn’t turn on their hazard lights.

How can you see that the hazard lights are NOT on if you can’t see the bus? You are being dishonest one way or the other

Edit: you should Google the school district whose bus it is. They typically have more information on their website including whether it is just a fine or not. I’m down in Delco and I know that is the case in our SD. Have seen the cameras and now extra cautious (always was) around the busses. Eat the fine, it’s just money.

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I’m pretty sure these automated tickets are just fines and not suspensions. Only if pulled over by an actual officer would the latter apply

Yes, you’re 100% guilty, and you should face the appropriate repercussions.

Also, calling people “bozos” that are trying to help you and trying to blame the bus driver for your mistake just shows that you’ve learned nothing from this incident, so maybe this appropriate punishment will help you to grow up a bit and learn to follow the rules of the road, especially around schoolchildren.

You could have hit a kid. Hope they take your license.

Now THIS is a good post.

That news article says no points for camera tickets, but penndot says points for this on title 75 1535, but then again Ive never gotten a ticket before in this state from a camera, only one from a police officer for speeding once. Have you (or someone you know) gotten a camera ticket in state to know if Title 75 1535 applies?

Even if not, showing up to contest it can get the points negated sometimes. It’s usually worth it.

A more modern facility is available nearby. It's probably less expensive to move than retrofit the older facility.

Youre a cop. Admit it, take the advice, keep it to yourself, and move on with your nonsense

In Pennsylvania, it’s just the $300 fine if caught by camera. There’s no points or license suspension for a camera citation.

Edit to add source for the article I read. They don’t even report violations to penndot. here

Youve actually looked vs some of these bozos who just say take the ticket lol, i appriciate you. Sadly, while you are correct on this, I was hoping to see if the bus driver not following the law for what they need to do before the stop (hazarads on 150-300ft before the stop).

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Thank you! We just called and it’s because her gross is $1795. The lady was so nice though and gave us some other places to try and apply.

Some people get out of the state sometimes.

I get what youre saying. The ticket said theyd need me to list someone if it wasnt me.

Yes 5 points and 60 days suspension is mandatory in PA from what Ive found

OK, from what I've found in the PA Driver's Manual pg 58:

"There is only one exception to the school bus stopping requirement. If you are

approaching a school bus that is stopped with its red lights flashing and stop

arm extended and you are driving on the opposite side of a divided highway,

(i.e. concrete/metal barriers, guide rails or trees/rocks/streams/grass median),

you do not have to stop. Reduce your speed and continue driving with caution."

Since this was not a divided highway, it appears you were ticketed correctly - however, if it gives you an opportunity to fight it, then do so. Appear before the judge and explain what happened - maybe "bonus points" if you're a parent.

ETA: Honestly, if they’re just giving you a fine, pay it.

If they’re going to suspend/points fight it. At least that’s what I would do.

No its not. Its pro colonial hogwash

Yes she did apply for the rent rebate which is so helpful

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You fucked up. Admit it, take the L, pay the ticket, and move on with your life.

you can't beat that ticket. Do they take points from your license? They don't know if you or someone else was actually driving.

I totally see how you could have plausibly missed the sign. It was still opening when you pass I bet it depends on judge and how you present. Definitely get a lawyer to at least see what they think.

I've always hated the rule about busses on 4 lane highways for this reason. I totally get one lane of opposite traffic, but when there's 35+ and 4 lanes, like this is just asking to get a kid hit.

The sign was still opening as I passed it. Regardless, the distance of 150-300ft is required of bus drivers on Penndots bus drivers manual, which is what im wondering would help here.

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