Recent comments in /f/Pennsylvania

1stBigHank t1_jdp2ko2 wrote

The sun doesn't shine at night, so every solar panel drops offline. Wind doesn't always blow, got to cover those low points. Energy storage is needed. It's a mater of scale. We don't have the batteries to store that kind of power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muddy_Run_Pumped_Storage_Facility is a comparable facility.

Taking property without proper compensation is wrong. So pay them double what the land is worth. Half in cash now, and half in stock in the new power company. Power companies make money, having part ownership is money every year for them and their heirs.

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MaoZedongs t1_jdp1gms wrote

Exelon has a long history of not GAF about anyone or anything. I wouldn’t expect that dredging to take place any time soon. Exelon is just Philadelphia Electric but broken up. Think of it like keeping a few dollars in each pocket and shuffling it around. You really have $100, but if anyone asks there’s only $25 in there.

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Socketfusion t1_jdp1eyj wrote

Conowingo is fine except all the pollution it dumps into the Chesapeake because everyone is fighting over who should pay for dredging. And a lot of that is on PA for not complying with the EPA consent decree. Sediment and erosion control as well as water quality laws in PA are garbage.

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Unfamiliar_Word t1_jdp18e7 wrote

I once read, somewhere that I cannot recall, that there was a time when a third of Pennsylvanians spoke Pennsylvania Dutch. My father is Pennsylvania Dutch and his father was bilingual, but his mother forbade him from being taught the tongue as it wasn't, "modern." She later admitted that this was a mistake. He once told me that he hated going to the local barber shop in his small coal town as all the old men would speak Pennsylvania Dutch and he would have no idea what they were saying.

My grandfather once visited a bar in Upper Darby, where we lived when I was very young, and the locals asked if he was Swedish, because of his accent. My mother has told me that when she met his grandparents, she could never quite tell when they were speaking Pennsylvania Dutch and when they were speaking 'Dutchified' English.

When I was in college, in an act of futility, I took courses in German that were taught by a woman from southern Germany. I once showed her my grandfather's old Grundsau Lodsch (Numma Finf an da Schwador) pamphlets, and she was amused to find the language rather familiar. (She also said that I sounded Austrian when I tried to speak German)

I wish that I were bilingual, because I would not be too far from High German, even if I would sound like something of a 'hick' in Germany, and it would be amusing if I could banter with my father auf Deitsch when he visits. My grandfather would often torment my mother, a self-described 'suburban princess' from Central Pennsylvania, by speaking Pennsylvania Dutch around her. He used to recite some poem that began, "A Truss truss trilly, a farmer hat in Philly," and ended, "the farmer had to sell," that I wish I knew all of. The Pennsylvania Dutch have strange, slight cruel streak, especially toward children. (Anybody who has lived in mortal terror of the Belschnickel knows what I refer to.)

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Socketfusion t1_jdp0yzn wrote

They don't. And I'm pretty sure Port Deposit is Delmarva now. PECO trucks wouldn't even be there unless it was someone commuting. The dam has been officially owned by Exelon for a while. Although both Delmarva and PECO are owned by Exelon. As is BGE. And Constellation who operates Muddy Run. Conowingo Dam was completed in 1928. So yeah, years ago. Just a few.

Downstream flooding does occur at times, the last bad one was the kid 90s. And Exelon really needs to dredge behind the dam. That has been a long running fight. But that is more about pollution in the Chesapeake Bay than flood risk. And honestly, Port Deposit shouldn't be more than a marina and freight track. It barely is more than that. It made sense to build there over 100 years ago just like a lot of flood plains. But it doesn't make sense now.

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Socketfusion t1_jdoyie5 wrote

>you wouldn't need to build the destructive supplemental power supplies in the first place.

Yes you would, just less of them. A major manufacturing plant isn't going to be able to fully supply it's power with just solar on its roof tops. It would need a massive solar farm plus a lot of battery storage. You might be able to supply, and even oversupply, your house most of the year. And when you are generating more than you need you can help supply your neighbors. But you aren't going to be able move that excess generation very far. Like anything, distance causes losses. That is why we have giant transformers on one end to transmit electricity at high voltage and low current, then switch it back to low voltages and higher current for actual use.

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Socketfusion t1_jdoxmac wrote

I'm not saying this plan is good, but I wanted to add some perspective. So there is an 850 MW solar farm in China. It's one of the largest in the world. It covers 8.9 square miles. One tenth the land usage. The reservoir would be 0.9 square miles. An average on shore wind turbine produces about 2.75 MW so you'd need about 310 of them. That works out to 20-40 square miles. Of course in the case of wind you can use that land for other things, which is good. But York County isn't exactly great place to build wind turbines. I'm not even going to bother to do math on geothermal.

I'm just talking about land usage so far. You also have to consider how you will transmit and distribute that power. You need substations to increase voltage and lower current. You need more lines whether underground or on poles. Distributed generation like on-site solar or small wind turbines with battery banks can work great for lower loads in densely populated areas like homes in cities. It is definitely something we should be doing a whole lot more of. But managing a grid is just insanely complex.

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Socketfusion t1_jdotueu wrote

Probably natural gas, at least initially. There may have been secondary dust explosions. To have that big of a dust explosion is unlikely because a very large amount of the building would have to be filled with a lot suspended dust. I know flammable dust explosions can be huge, but there were workers in those spaces so there would have to be significant control methods even if they weren't following safety rules. They probably wouldn't be able to work if there was that flour and or sugar dust in the air.

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