Recent comments in /f/dataisbeautiful

Icy_Case4950 t1_je23mcx wrote

No it was sarcasm. Cause better opportunities in light of the pandemic, and an article highlighting lowest paid workers benefitted the most ? Sounds like people were taken advantage of. I didn’t read the article but I assumed the article says because of legislation passed during the pandemic - the lowest paid workers actually made more and my point was oh? they got what they were supposed to get all along ???

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nine_of_swords t1_je1vxjv wrote

When you take error margins, it gets even more telling. Alabama has the highest margin of error (and by a decent margin, +/- 1.9%, next would be KY/AZ at 1.4). It's error range overlaps with the majority of the error ranges of other states. The only state it doesn't overlap with, where Alabama is the lower range, is California (DC, too, but that's not a state.).

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zombienudist t1_je1ua9m wrote

Again there are always outliers. That is why you don't just use one method. But it is clear to me looking back that I was lying to myself about my health and weight. Many, many people are. I know the things I said about BMI and I did that because I didn't want to face my own issues. It was easier to think that BMI was BS then to actually look at it seriously and use it as just one way to assess your health. If you are the outlier then you just use something else.

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Exatex t1_je1q8lc wrote

> then you will know that all which applied are ok with those details

hahaha, good one

> just fuck off with that one

You obviously never hired. You would not believe the things people do in the first interview. Most common, not even showing up. Being condescending to our female recruiter. Obviously lied in their CV. No work permit. Super shitty internet. Not tech savy enough to open a zoom call. Not listening to anything the recruiter says and discussing unrelated stuff with their friends during the interview? Not able to speak at least acceptable level of english. Trying to flirt with the recruiter.

Most people don’t make it past the first 15 min screening call for absolutely obvious reasons.

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Marksd9 t1_je1pqmd wrote

That makes some sense to me, some outlying body types can throw the data (although I’m given pause given that some of those outliers include entire ethnicities).

But even given more accurate testing we can all observe that some larger people are more active and eat more healthily than many skinnier people.

Given that conclusion, just how useful is body size as a measure of health?

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Marksd9 t1_je1mxpd wrote

Thanks for the detailed response. I find the area really interesting since I grew up in an environment where BMI and the dangers of being “overweight” were totally unchallenged.

However the “fuzziness” around this topic always bothered me. Playing rugby, almost every player on my team would be classed as either “Obese” or “morbidly obese” (especially if they were POC’s) despite being high-level athletes. Meanwhile my skinny stoner friends who sat around playing guitar hero all day were classed as being “healthy”, based on a metric that even it’s proponents agree makes no sense. I would say everyone has similar stories of larger people being healthier than many skinny people.

The fussiness extends to the outcomes too, since obesity is only a co-morbidity and also doesn’t apply in all cases it’s easy to say a “fat”person’s weight contributed to a heart attack when that either may not have been the case at all, or may have been a contributing factor but not the actual cause. It may be just as accurate in these situations to suggest that the added stress of being left handed contributed to a heart attack.

This very much sounds like I’m making a very specific argument but what you’re really hearing is my brain melting as it tries to decide between two conclusions:

  1. Obesity IS the major health risk I’ve been led to believe despite the “fuzziness” in the data and observable conclusions.
  2. Activists are correct when they say that all the data starts from the point that “fat is bad” and works backwards to justify that conclusion.

TL:DR I’m too dumb and my brain hurts.

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forsakenchickenwing t1_je1it06 wrote

That is pretty, but it does not contain the really far future (10^100 years until all black holes have evaporated). I have even seen some models go for different futures up to 10^(10^76) years out.

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Typical-Length-4217 t1_je1h9n8 wrote

This same irony can be applied to open borders policies. So many of the folks who promote open border policies also promote low cost housing, totally disregarding the notion of global demand. It’s like they cannot comprehend that uncontrolled population growth could also cause an uncontrolled increase in the price of housing.

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corrado33 t1_je1e6q3 wrote

This looks like one of those "you can't look at this image correctly" images. Like the ones that always look like they're moving?

Yeah, this one is weird. If I look straight at it, I can't see the dark red lattice pattern, but if I look away I can see it.

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Exatex t1_je1d4sj wrote

yes sure, CV checks happens before anyways. Cutting corners in one of the big interviews and then missing something big is way more expensive than the hour for one or two people. If you hire the wrong person you can easily lose 2-3 months until you notice, let go, rehire. Plus cultural cost if people started liking the miss hire.

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zombienudist t1_je1a7t1 wrote

It isn't flawed for most people. What most people see as a flaw is that BMI doesn't work for aberrations. So you are a body builder that BMI says is obese when you are 10% body fat. But very few people are bodybuilders.
That is why there is a range of weight for each section. And there are many other ways to measure your health. You can take measurements for example. Or use hip to waist ratio But take it from a guy that said that BMI was BS for much of their adult life that I was wrong. For most people it is a good guideline. I said that because I didn't want to face the fact that I was overweight from the time I was 25 on.

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