Are you using a forestry tape? The units look too big for inches.

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Apparently digging up roads and neighborhoods across America doesn’t cause extreme downtime and cost billions of dollars.

Between being the granite state and the massive frost heave we get it wouldn't be cheap or easy. On average, above ground lines cost between $200k and $500k, while underground can cost $1M - $5M per mile. We have about 20k miles of power lines. So on the low end you are looking at $20B to bury them. Underground power lines are also more complicated and still require a significant amount of costly maintenance and repairs.

This paper is a bit old, but still accurate for the most part if you want to read up on underground lines.

Got 12-14 in moultonborough where I am at.

We've got almost 2 feet near Nottingham.

Forget special interests: it should be the consumer that opposes it.

Running/fixing overhead lines works out to roughly $70-80 per foot. Buried lines cost $750/foot, plus costs of new switches and transformers.

Not only for the labor to do it, but it's my understanding that you need to push more electricity through buried cables as they don't carry as far.

>With your attitude, we'd never have had fiber optic cables, city sewer and water, oil and gas pipelines, etc.

As a state, we do not have those things. Water, sewage, and gas tend to only be available in parts of the state that have the density to make it cost effective to bury those things. Otherwise you have well, a septic system, and either heating oil or propane.

Fiber rollout has been slower in areas with buried utilities. It takes more time to install than simply running them on poles. The funny part is that once you reach a high enough density, there aren't many trees left to fall on the lines.

I understand. I was being a little sarcastic. I don’t really want to clear cut NH

Water lines can't be above ground, they'd freeze. They also aren't present throughout the state. Plenty of people are still on well water because it's financially prohibitive to run pipes beyond a certain population density. Same deal with natural gas. Same deal with sewage, low density areas use septic systems.

Thanks for the details but I am not moved. People literally build homes into blasted ledge everyday. We drill water wells through ledge. We drill for oil and gas everywhere. We mine for metal ores, which is also rock. I mean, what a lame excuse. I think all of the people talking about ledge just remember the times when they personally cannot move something from their yard. We have heavy equipment, sonics drills, and dynamite. This is nothing new.

With your attitude, we'd never have had fiber optic cables, city sewer and water, oil and gas pipelines, etc.

Then support “big hole”

They built miles long roads through the alps. We've gone to the moon. Burying power lines is not that hard.

The unions are actively lobbying for this?

>As someone who works in the industry, it gets old hearing that we should just bury the lines. This works in dense areas, but for rural areas (like the vast majority of NH) it is extremely cost prohibitive. Installing buried conduit, manholes, transformer foundations, etc. is often upwards of $200-$300 per FOOT of buried conduit. Even more expensive if it has to be concrete-encased, or God forbid there is ledge (rock) in the way that needs to be hammered out (btw this is New Hampshire, the Granite State, there is ledge absolutely EVERYWHERE). And that doesn't even include the cost of installing (pulling, splicing) the actual cables and transformers themselves.

From /u/vwturbo in this thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/newhampshire/comments/11qy0mu/what_is_the_deal_with_the_nh_grid/

Clearly 8”

But I’m a guy, so maybe it’s just me

Woah. this truce is exciting

Don't mind me being all heated , I just hate watching America's downfall. I work now work at a very prosperous institution who is investing TONs of money and time into climate change "resiliency" which includes infrastructure changes to protect the grid (this institute is including plans to help the local people during disasters as well).

My Ted Talk Regarding the OT issue. I am for the working man which means that I don't think people should need to work OT for 36 hours straight to be prosperous. Imagine a time when we are proactive and not reactive, people make enough money to not work the equivalent of two jobs, and instead, spend time with family.

The mini pandemic baby boom is due to people being home and not working themselves to death, as has been the norm. Prosperous people have their needs met plus time and money to recreate after just one job. Eversource shareholders must make a minimum of 13% return on investment. Imagine if that money instead went to non executive workers and to safeguard our grid. Close Ted Talk.

Boom

Forget about burying lines, it’s the granite state for god’s sake. What we should do is just clear cut 50’ on each side of the power lines and let people like me collect the wood for our stoves. Win win

Corporations operate based on short term profits. If you make expensive up front investments, then the corporation has lower profits that quarter, and the executives get smaller bonuses. The way it's run now is making them money and will continue to do so, they have no real incentive to change.

> Unless you can give me a comprehensive cost comparison of business as usual compared to safeguarding the grid, your comments are purely assumptions and protecting the status quo

As are yours suggesting that burying lines would be cheaper. Shouldn't you have to provide said same?

Looks like the graffiti has been fixed . Thank you to BAE! I also need a Bae but don’t we all

I Respect that.

Issue is, and I saw this both here and FL, is that people will move in from Mass or Cali or elsewhere saying they hate how the left has ruined their state, but then they for some reason continue voting the same way and slowly ruin their new state as well. That's why people complain about em moving in, it's a generalization. Not personal.

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