Not if they don't personally have the skill set. Upskilling is a not thing unions love to do.

I have a generator and propane fireplace stove. I am looking at my town opening warming centers and all the people stressing on FB.

I care about more than just myself

We don't know, do we? We don't know because it costs too much to study it. Lol

The savings on maintenance and repairs over the life of the facilities are, generally, much less than the difference in initial construction costs.

There are also maintenance costs associated with buried infrastructure that you are not acknowledging. Drastic changes in temperature, tree roots, flooding, damage from animals, damage from vehicles, etc, all cause damaged conduit and/or damaged cable, which is usually costly and disruptive to repair. Above-ground facilities are obviously way more exposed and therefore damaged more often, but the repairs are generally relatively inexpensive and simple compared to repairs of UG facilities.

Did you see my edited link above that outages are costing the us economy $150 BILLION a year.

What is the value of a life lost because of failed oxygen machines ? https://www.wmbfnews.com/2022/12/27/man-dies-christmas-eve-after-power-outage-turns-off-oxygen-machine/ Would your opinion change if we had wind storms monthly? Wind is speeding up and will continue to.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-worlds-winds-are-speeding-up/

Ironically, cutting trees can mess up wind patterns and cause micro bursts.https://ncseagrant.ncsu.edu/coastwatch/current-issue/summer-2019/dont-cut-down-that-tree-preserving-a-protective-buffer-against-high-speed-winds/

Curing cancer costs a lot too but no one is giving up

There was a time when Boston was having serious problems with manhole covers and other metal plates getting electrified. It does introduce new problems that above-ground lines don't tend to have. A downed line from a pole is easy to see. A fault underground, not so much.

And that's measured in......?

Finally, show your economic analysis that it would be cheaper to move lines underground, and maintain them underground as well. Don't forget the costs of diverting traffic as the linemen are working through the road surface as well as the extra costs of paving the roads because now the road crew must work around the manholes, etc.

You've posted on this thread about your feelings and demanded that other people provide you with facts counter to your feelings. Perhaps you should first provide the facts, no?

What’s the projected cost of this proposal to bury all the power lines in NH?

Just buy a generac if it bothers you so much

Tell that to breezeline. Spent over 2 years and haven’t been able to bury new fiber through out dovers existing buried neighborhoods. Never mind the entire city.

You know unions would probably love a multi billion dollar project to dig trenches on every corner of the state, right?

Rain is what happened it was like concrete fresh out the truck at my house.

I took a graduate level economic course in the spring of 2022 and I was shocked to learn how economic theory works. It's not what you think. Example, I put a car worth 12k on sale for 15k. You buy the car for 16k, who loses ? The car is worth 16k and you don't lose because you wanted to pay that much and so 16k is how much the car is worth to you.

The economic analysis of the value of buried lines would include the value of ALL the activity that relies upon electricity and is lost when it goes out. Materials and labor are not the only measure.

Yes they do and they pay a pretty penny to do so. As for mining ore that is done for profit. No profit in ledge

Yes we can it just costs money. Last time a heard a study about it 10 years or so. Would cost every man woman and child in nh 36000 to do it.

... but all that said, my main concern is the grid and the people facing hardship without electricity (elderly, sick, parents, single people without resources). If OT wasn't a thing because it wasn't needed, there couldn't be abuse of it.

Listen, I am not a hater of working people. Corporate welfare and executive malfeasance (latest banking collapse for example!) Are a much bigger concern of mine. I brought up the OT issue because people in general think it's a wonderful thing to pay people overtime. I think it's a better idea to raise worker pay and let people live stable lives amidst a energy grid with buries lines ☺️

Clearly the power companies don't want to bury line because they love paying workers overtime.

That make so much sense!

> No because I know for a fact that burying lines is done all over the world. This means that other people did the analysis and determined it was worth the money.

Burying lines in Demark (for example) is a whole different kettle of fish than NH. Be specific and back up your assertion that it would be cost effective in NH to bury lines though ledge, etc.

> economic theory measure activities by total value, not absolute dollars.

What's the unit of measurement? Kilograms, gallons, yards?

Buried lines fault. There are many 100 year old lines running around still working just fine. Haven’t found a 30 year old run that’s hasn’t have had work done on it.

Yes I lost power

My opinion on the "conspiracy" as you call it is based on:

My friend's husband who got a job at Eversource and was second to the driver. He had to ride around all day as the driver shopped and did just about anything other than work. EVERY SINGLE DAY

Second, I personally attended a standing room only rate increase hearing which gave people an opportunity to speak about how they would be greatly negatively affected by the changes. I was in the hall nearby the company union stewards who were all suited up and snickering and laughing openly at all the public speakers. Low class and clearly lobbying on the side of raping the public.

So , yeah. It's not so much a conspiracy as robbery in public view .

No because I know for a fact that burying lines is done all over the world. This means that other people did the analysis and determined it was worth the money.

economic theory measure activities by total value, not absolute dollars. The value of a stable electricity grid, especially considering climate change resiliency, outweighs the lazy status quo and shareholder return that prevents this system upgrade.

If “massive overtime conspiracy” is your foothold in this or any argument, you should also consider that you may just be wrong and run that out a little also. Yes, the grid as it exists requires more maintenance than one that is subterranean but that doesn’t implicate the workers in a lobbying/conspiracy/scheme.

Did you lose power yesterday?

99% percent of NH will be restored by 6pm FRIDAY. (Source , Eversource text alert).

Hospitals and healthcare are expensive too. Society does expensive and hard things every single day because the right thing to do isn't always the easiest.

Yep. My town had the town voting yesterday, and the fuckers for for every big money item. ALL of it.

The only thing they said no to, was expanded hours for the LIBRARY!!! The one item that would have cost the least on the whole list. 🙄

Yup. Barely shovel-able here in New Hampton.

Very true.