And utilitarian, the Moon is a gateway to the rest of the Solar system. Even the Apollo LM descent stage reached orbit on its own in one stage. Now imagine rockets launched from the Moon, how far they could go without having to be completely spent just on getting a spacecraft into orbit like when launched from Earth. We wouldnt even need rockets even aside from the ones taking people to the Moon in the first place.

Living on the Moon wouldnt exactly be a vacation by all means, it would be just like the astronauts on the ISS, people living a strange and at times uncomfortable life for the sake of human progress.

Anything human rated should have double redundancy. If a spacecraft, triple. My biggest concern with Starship. A human spacecraft should be over engineered.

What are you guys referring to? It sounds interesting.

I used to work for another large defense and aerospace company (ATK) and this was my biggest complaint. Management would laugh at me when it frankly said it a few times.

Yup ever since they merged with McDonnell Douglas, I’ve read that they been on the downhill in terms of engineering.

The financial aspects started mattering more than the engineering aspects.

737 MAX was just a complete fiasco. I was shocked to read anything in engineering, never mind aeronautical engineering - having a single point of failure with no redundancy.

Like you said, it happened in the name of cost cutting.

Guess what Boeing did? There are a lot of interesting reports on what has gone on at Boeing in the past 20-30 years. The biggest is that they cut costs on safety and reliability... hence this massive delay and cost overrun. They need to get back to the Engineering... and fast.

I believe the universe to by cyclical. I'm not sure which video you are referring but I can presume it shows a very long dark quiet and cold end to our universe?

Eventually nothing can hold a bond and all matter will just slowly fade away, with a fizzling out of energy.

The time frames are astoundingly unfathomable.

I like to think/believe in the big bounce. It would be a lot cooler if there was something out there yet discovered, maybe just beyond our vantages horizon that would cause the eventually reverse of time, the collapse of this universe back up onto itself.

Maybe, just maybe, just an atoms length beyond our horizon, there exists a black hole the size of the entire horizon.

So I guess in summary, I'd (the universe) rather die in a black whole than being stretched out into nothingness via a long dark cold freeze. Although, being stretched out into nothingness also seems to be what would happen if we were to enter a black hole? So wait, what we are experiencing now is what would happen if we were to fall into a black hole? So, we are in one now?

Or maybe my therapist is right.

People were saying the same thing about SLS when it was having delays launching. Boeing has plenty of issues, and Starliner isn't all it's cracked up to be. Scrapping it at this point isn't a good idea, however. If something goes wrong with Falcon 9 and/or Dragon, human spaceflight takes a huge hit. There needs to be a backup, even if it's not as great and way more expensive. I look at Boeing as the B team that can come in if there is an unexpected issue.

I have been feeling a little more Hulkish lately.

Oh wow I have to do it in tenths. I can understand all of 1/10th just fine.

Carl Sagan says it very well in A Pale Blue dot... There was a great edit someone did on YouTube with scenes from a bunch of movies but I'd guess it was removed for like 60 copyright infringements.

Edit: Holy crap lol the next thing I do is start a TV show and there is a Rolex commercial that was almost identical to what I described on YouTube. Anyone who's seen the video I'm talking about check out Rolex hashtag perpetual ad and let me know what you think.

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Someone just needs to pull the plug on this one. Boeing and NASA are just embarrassing themselves.

I thought Scott Kelly stayed in space way longer but turns out it was just 340 days. It’s weird because he went up specifically because he has a twin and they wanted to study the differences of a lengthy space stay on his body vs. His twin brother on Earth to use as a control.

In retrospect only having Scott Kelly stay in space for a year was extremely unambitous. We know astronauts to Mars will be in space for nearly 2 years. We should have had him stay 2 years. I’d think if he wasn’t interested there are other qualified twins who would be.

I make a point of only thinking about 50% of the universe at a time.

It's half-vast.

Drop in the bucket given the defense budget…but the new kid rarely gets what he/she wants…

The one thing that video makes me remember and hate at the same time is that we are insignificant. Most likely all of us will be dead when these events arise and humans wiped out before or when the gamma burst hits I’d expect.

All the wars and crises we have over land, and money will ultimately be pointless. We are the same as every other living creature on this earth and end up the same fate in a way.

The difference is for now we understand the way things work, the way the universe in some forms works and can question life and the beginning & end which other creatures can’t. And we feel special because of it, as intelligent life, questioning the end of life, the beginning of the universe, striving for a reason for existence.

It’s depressing to thing the answer probably is there isn’t one, there isn’t an afterlife and we are just atoms and such.. that said I can see why people then find comfort in religion and an afterlife.

So.. I’ve gone down a depressing rabbit hole haha. As much as Space can fill me with wonder it can also fill me with existential dread.

The desire to live on the moon is no more that romanticism

After watching the two videos I have stopped watching tv

Oh brilliant, thank you.

There's next to nothing there aside from iron, silicon and magnesium. Any human who lives there will have, at best, the quality of a life of a submarine crewman. You may be able to find enough resources to support a small number of people, but their lives are going to suck and more than likely will never be able to return home due to the deterioration of their bones and musculature. And that's only the things we already know about, no one knows what the long term affect of exposure to the lunar soli will do to people (and machines).

There is nothing to do there that is worth the horrible lives these people will lead that could not more easily be done by robots

It's definitely how infinitely vast I think everything is and it's both terrifying and fantastic. Someone else commented by saying they find it comforting and I really do. I don't know if these other forms of life would be like us or completely different, or even "good" (whatever that would mean in their world) but it's still so incredible. Though I'm also glad I don't get to ever know that, because there can be neutral, good and bad surprises haha.

Check this one out.

https://youtu.be/yDiD8F9ItX0

Now you're venturing into Eastern Philosophy. Keep going further! 😉