mmmm... 🤔 I have 2:

• Too Old to Die Young - A stylistic crime drama masterpiece in my opinion. Not everyone will appreciate it's slow pace, slow conversations and genuinely unpredictable plot... but I did.

• Desenfrenadas (Unstoppable) - There's no show quite like it... well since I've seen there have been 2 that seems to be inspired by it, but none as in-depth or soulful. This show isn't missing a damn thing... all while being a fun fucking show to watch.

edit: I forgot Anna is pretty unknown too.

• Anna: I can't think of a better post-apocalyptic series to be honest... whether U.S. produced or otherwise. Great storytelling, with an abundance of emotional depth. Outstanding production design and cinematography too.

The Last of Us, and the one with The Weeknd.

> Because they’re bad at business?

eh... fair enough point.

> HBO is incredibly concerned about budget.

If they're "incredibly concerned" about budget... then why renew it?

> At that price, Euphoria is a massive failure.

C'mon, there's no way you can say that with a serious face. This show is one of the most discussed in recent years. Even Bratz just did an animation of the popular "Bitch you better be jokin'" scene. Regardless of the budget most shows don't get to the level of relevance Euphoria has gotten.

i mean it's not Game of Thrones/House of Dragon level sure, but it's definitely popular. HBO's most popular ongoing show besides House of the Dragon right? With quite the cultural impact too. And it's not like it's more expensive than stuff like House of the Dragon or Westworld is it?

Also, I don't think HBO is ever really overconcerned with budget the same way, let's say... Netflix are. The show is a success so they'll keep it going for the foreseeable future.

what u mean? Euphoria is pretty popular in the u.s.

lol that shit is several months away though. surely op meant "upcoming" as in next month, plus january, february or so.

Severance is upcoming?

you wildin'.

This sounds pretty dope. Druck was the best Skam adaptation out of the bunch. And Wir Kinder vom Bahnhof Zoo was a German show a bit similar in tone and style to Euphoria and that was great also.

you say this as if it's a 22 episode show and not an 8 episode show. lol.

Oh 😐... i don't think im gonna end up watching it anyways tbh. or at least, not any time soon.

> Ridiculous argument

I know /u/AfricanRain is gettin' downvoted here, but from what I've seen, it might not be a ridiculous argument to make at all.

> The difference in reception is NOT because of IP strength but the quality of the adaptation.

Is it really? Even if it's a bad show, I expected ROP to garner a lot more online discussion than it ultimately did. That one post made here awhile back about how there was basically no talks of ROP on twitter especially when compared to HOTD was very accurate. ROP was dead as fuck on twitter. Not that there weren't any tweets about it... but for the most part, it never had a huge buzz, people just didn't seem to care that it was something that existed. That's the vibe I was getting.

Casually using Tik Tok and Instagram, I got the same vibes. Users mentioned, memed, made videos about, and discussed even Euphoria more than they did ROP. I just think for younger audiences LOTR might be irrelevant to be honest... because even if it was bad, quality wouldn't stop it from having cultural relevance, even if that cultural relevance comes due to mockery. We've seen it many times before.

Yea, The Rings of Power was kind of a let down, even for someone like me who've never watched the movies.

lol this gotta be some kind of record.

the whole downvote thing is still such a mystery to me and i've been here for years. everything gets downvoted... it seems automatic. are these real people, or is it bots are something??

and i question if it's real people because i never use the downvote button... i sometimes forget it's there so it's baffling when people use it for legit posts. or maybe some people just think of or use reddit differently? like... "oh i don't like this post, downvote!"?

anyways, i think a great solution for this is to just make it compulsory for users to comment why they downvote something whenever they do.

> I think the 2000s had better writing and character development

this is a completely subjective thing.

i have a lot of favourite 2010s shows tbh:

Shameless, Les Revenants, Game of Thrones, Black Mirror, Spartacus, Skam, The Affair, Inside No. 9, Banshee, Anohana: The Flower We Saw That Day, Girls, The Americans, Broad City, You're the Worst, Legion etc.

> which major 2000s series have you seen?

I've seen a lot of them actually:

Lost, The Wire, Breaking Bad, Gossip Girl etc.

I know that a lot of those went over into the next decade (because they were major of course). I'd say my favourite show from the 00s is Skins though. That's the one I'll rewatch every few years. Loved the early seasons of Veronica Mars too. But overall, I don't fuck with 00s television much, especially when it comes to aesthetics, you know.

eeeeehh... idk, i respect your opinion but i'd have to go with 2010s here tbh. probably because i've seen more from the decade, but visually and production-wise especially, i'm not too stoked about many popular 2000s series. i never cared too much for the 22-episode format either. plus as someone who values foreign-language productions, i can't think of any from the 2000s besides anime.

Eeeeeehh... I was just talking about streaming services there man (as I said in the earlier reply). Comparing Netflix with the traditional HBO channel is pointless. There's just nothing to compare there. We're in a different time now. We consume content differently, content is made differently, and for the most part we even discuss content differently.

nah. it's Tell Me Lies on Disney+. not trash, but definitely something you can watch with you phone in hand. lol.

Here we go with the "quality" "quantity" thing again. 🙄

> Lmao more content doesn’t literally = better, otherwise you could take that to the extreme and just upload random hour-long videos of paint drying on the studio walls or something.

You just had to interpret it like this didn't you? 😂😂

> Netflix has clearly taken the quantity over quality approach

> Apple TV+ is also clearly playing the “quality over quantity” approach

lol you keep saying this buzz term, and I keep telling you this is not a thing bruh. This is just not how you gauge the success of a streaming service. Do you think it's just a coincidence that Netflix gained around 2 million subscribers this past quarter, the same quarter they released the most TV episodes they've ever released?

I can elaborate, but I'm currently watching something and my fingers are tired. lol. I wished you'd caught me on a day where I could debate this for hours.

My comment was about HBO Max the streaming service, not HBO the tv channel. HBO has always and will been fine.

> Frankly, everything he’s cancelled isn’t/wasn’t going to be great, maybe good at best

Streaming service is the content game. More content being released, the more subscribers the service attract, it's as simple as that. Doesn't matter if you think it's great, good or bad.

> Zaslav actually signals a more aggressive quality over quantity approach

There's no such thing. It's a streaming service. The term "quality over quantity" is just... not an actual thing. Those shows were removed or had their productions canceled because they wanted a tax break, not because they're taking a "quality over quantity" approach (which as I said is not actually a thing, the more content the better).

I feel like that motherfucker Zaslav has really hindered the process of HBO Max. They needed a few years of consistent releasing to catch up to Netflix, popping up one day and just removing a lot of content put a pause on that progress i think.